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NoTipsHere

Hi MarketMonkey,

I agree that its useful to have your eye and be familiar with several tradeables rather than just one, such as the Dow. I fully agree with the point that you made in a previous piece some time back, that you have to be "intimate" with the index/stock in question and that it has to move. Movement is your way into possible tends that you can predict/guess in advance, which is what you are doing as a multi-day or day trader.

The Dow may have been sideways for a few days but there is still movement in her. eg: On the 21st and 22nd it went from 11,340 to 11,620 in 2 days, almost 300 points. And yesterday it dropped down to 11,385, a drop of 240 and over 2% in a day. That is enough movement if you ask me. Hopefully you got in on one of those.

> Take Anglo-Irish. Getting short at €7 was a real no-brainer It fell back to €5 the following week. From there, it rallied once more to the €7 before falling back to €5 - shorting the rallies, well ,it's not rocket science, is it?

I dont think these were exactly no-brainers. The banks were at very depressed values so there is no guarantee that any rise (rally) will indeed fall back again. BOI went down as 4.40 and is now at 5.30 or so but knowing where it will go next is hard to predict as these valuations are very low.

> The Irish banks trade like dotcoms these days.

I dont think they trade like the dot-coms did nor the current internet stocks. They have attributes of their own, a business that has assets, a business that is still making profits, but a potential for a storm to turn into a hurricane and for many of the loans to turn unpayable. The shares are therefore priced somewhere between the doomsday scenario and a "normal" valuation. Neither analysts or investors know the tue value of these businesses for now. Things should become a little clearer over the next couple of years, but whilst the property markets remain 'effectively' stagnant, there are large potential risks.

Good luck this week ....

NoTipsHere

Market Monkey

Hi NoTips
That trade referred to had a very happy ending :). Column went to press before the surge in volatility. Still shouldn't have taken the trade however - better to have waited for Dow to trade near bottom of its recent trading range than to enter in the middle of its trading range like I did. As for the drop back down from 11,620 - would have been better to get short near resistance at 11,720. Entering at 11,600 would have been acceptable but I still think traders should be as picky as possible rather than jumping the gun.

Re. Anglo and banks - IMHO, shorting near 7 was a no-brainer for the reasons outlined. First test of resistance/support is always a good time to get short/long. Next time, it might very well go beyond 7, I don't know, but shorting any rally continues to look like a very obvious move to me. Trend is your friend...

Re. dotcom analogy - am not saying the banks are worthless like dotcoms, am saying that they trade like the dotcoms used to, ie, hugely volatile. Anglo, for example, rose by over 70% in a few weeks before dropping by 30% soon after and then rising another 40% or so in double quick time. It then lost over 20% in last ten days. All that since the start of July and IL&P behaving similarly - wild stuff!

NoTipsHere

Hi,

> That trade referred to had a very happy ending :).

Thats good to hear.

> better to have waited for Dow to trade near bottom of its recent trading range
> As for the drop back down from 11,620 - would have been better to get short near resistance at 11,720.

Therein lies the challenge for all traders. When the market is moving gradually sideways as it has done since mid-July, its difficult to pick either long or short correctly. Its more or less a lucky guess. Waiting for the market to hit a resistance level such as 11,720 may not happen. And there can be valid day-trades or multi-day trades available to snap up if the trend is reasonable to your hunch.

Looking at a 2-yr chart such as this:
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/ta?s=%5EDJI&t=2y&l=off&z=m&q=l&p=m50,m200

The 50-day trend line would seem to be a limiter at the moment. Values are well below 200-days and the peaks of 13,000 back in May were a case of recent "irrational exuberance".

It looks in the general market that things should trend to the down side at some stage. The market has been taking a breather from that precipitous fall since May.

The 200-day ma bulled over the last 5 years from 8,750 to 13,500 in January and is now around 12,500. 10,500 or 10,000 seems unlikely so we could have a lot of sideways movement for sometime to come. Picking short-term trends is therefore a reasonable method. Selling the rallies, or buying the fallers.

NoTipsHere

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